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Quercus
Master Corporal
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:41 am Posts: 88 Location: UK
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 Am I in a minority?
Listening to the latest Crosshairs and Bash podcasts (nice casts by the way), I wonder whether my view is not a popular one: Crosshairs: Discussed how Treyarch has players "report" on people who cheat, have offensive player cards or use map glitches. Personally I really like this system. As far as I can tell, Treyarch will review players who are reported before taking action and as the action for all but cheating is basically warn the player and then if they ignore it ban tham, that seems perfectly reasonable to me. I have never used cheats or exploited map glitches, engaged in bunny hopping or anything like that because in my view that is exploiting limitations in the game engine that in the setting of the game aren't realistic. With Black Ops Treyarch can easily check reported players to see if they are behaving dubiously and I hope that anyone who cheats will be dealt with promptly. Bash: Jock doesn't like Hardcore and seems to think that it is for "casual" gamers because they can get kills more easily with it. Of course weapons are more lethal in hardcore mode, but that applies both to the people you shoot and the people that shoot you, so overall it doesn't make any difference. The only difference is that in normal mode you need to get more shots to connect to get a kill, but that is a gaming mechanic and isn't terribly realistic. If you listen to what the devs have said in the past, they generally reduce the lethality of weapons in the name of gameplay, so people don't die so easily. I wouldn't mind normal mode if being hit caused some sort of knockback and staggering effect that at least slowed the target down, but the most frustrating thing about it is hitting someone as they charge past your field of vision and watching them disappear out of sight having completely ignored the shots hitting them. So, I prefer hardcore and don't glitch. Does that make me a bad boy? 
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:00 am |
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Jo3_23
Brigadier General
Joined: Sat May 01, 2010 10:31 am Posts: 1695 Location: UK, Merseyside, Southport
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
nope i prefer hardcore and don'y glitch  some people don't like hardcore because they think it is to easy to kill people but like you say that works the other way also i hate pumping bullets into a person so they die it just screams Xbox game to me when i play in normal mode as they reduce the weapon damage in the name of Xbox/PS3 gamers gameplay not the PC's, if there was a huge kick when you got shot it would affect the Xbox gamers more then us as we play with a mouse and can compensate for the kick faster them them, as they are the main audience they get looked after 
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:46 am |
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jswizzy
Lt. Colonel
Joined: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:38 pm Posts: 702
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
I never felt like core required that much to kill someone. Maybe you have bad hit registration or need to work on your aim, I am going to guess hit reg since the game with a default config has terrible hit reg problems. 2-3 shots isn't allot to ask to kill someone.
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:38 am |
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LeadCore
Corporal
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:36 pm Posts: 23
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
Quote: I have never used cheats or exploited map glitches, engaged in bunny hopping or anything like #1. Bunny hopping, you're mad because I use my jump key to avoid your shots.... this pretty much discredits the rest of your post but alas, I did read on. Quote: in the game engine that in the setting of the game aren't realistic. #2 Since when has CoD been a realistic shooter? Gameplay has been good for a long time. CoD2 made it to WSVG Dallas in 06-07. It was very popular for a reason GAMEPLAY! Quote: With Black Ops Treyarch can easily check reported players to see if they are behaving dubiously and I hope that anyone who cheats will be dealt with promptly. Ok. Nothing to refute there, that is just obvious. Quote: that is a gaming mechanic and isn't terribly realistic. You obviously really want this 'realistic' feel. (whatever that is..i've never been chased down the street with an mp5 so i don't think we can really accurately judge this...) By playing the game 'hardcore', you are removing all the weapon balance in the game. Weapon classes are designed with different ranges and damage values for a reason, because it improves GAMEPLAY (omg he said that word again). This is because each class has its own advantages and disadvantages. Those who can move fast can't shoot far, and vice versa. Hardcore ruins CoD, plain and simple, it makes me sick to see the community fragmented by this terrible idea that came about in Cod4. You should not be able to kill someone with an smg or pistol with a toe-shot from across the map. CoD has a 'feeling' to it, always has, always will, and that feeling is ruined by having 70% less health when you spawn. hardcore game: a bunch of people crouching silently in corners, waiting for someone to move across an opening. SMG player has no reason to play any different than the guy with the sniper rifle. Game is reduced to a pile of crap. Pure game: Players use solid movement skills (crouch walking, strafe jumping, etc) to navigate map/engage enemies. Game moves faster, more fluid GAMEPLAY (omg he said that word again). Players are rewarded for more time in the game because they learn to control the RECOIL of the guns, which in turn means skill is used to decide gunfights since usually it takes a series of more than one lucky bullet to kill someone. This pub game everyone plays nowadays is light years away from what CoD actually was, which is me and you, gun vs gun, heads up, better player wins. Good games reward players for putting their time in, not for getting lucky with a toe-shot from a mile away. Sigh..I could write for a year on this..its so painfully obvious. Lets review: You don't like it when people jump to avoid being killed, you want to kill people with less shots......see a pattern here.....I guess they need to keep trying to make the game easier for you. Sincerely, Everyone who played CoD before 2005 and is actually decent at the game. tl;dr; bad players are bad, hardcore is @#$@#$ awful
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:21 am |
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blckamber
Master Corporal
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 11:18 am Posts: 34
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
LeadCore wrote: Quote: I have never used cheats or exploited map glitches, engaged in bunny hopping or anything like #1. Bunny hopping, you're mad because I use my jump key to avoid your shots.... this pretty much discredits the rest of your post but alas, I did read on. Quote: in the game engine that in the setting of the game aren't realistic. #2 Since when has CoD been a realistic shooter? Gameplay has been good for a long time. CoD2 made it to WSVG Dallas in 06-07. It was very popular for a reason GAMEPLAY! Quote: With Black Ops Treyarch can easily check reported players to see if they are behaving dubiously and I hope that anyone who cheats will be dealt with promptly. Ok. Nothing to refute there, that is just obvious. Quote: that is a gaming mechanic and isn't terribly realistic. You obviously really want this 'realistic' feel. (whatever that is..i've never been chased down the street with an mp5 so i don't think we can really accurately judge this...) By playing the game 'hardcore', you are removing all the weapon balance in the game. Weapon classes are designed with different ranges and damage values for a reason, because it improves GAMEPLAY (omg he said that word again). This is because each class has its own advantages and disadvantages. Those who can move fast can't shoot far, and vice versa. Hardcore ruins CoD, plain and simple, it makes me sick to see the community fragmented by this terrible idea that came about in Cod4. You should not be able to kill someone with an smg or pistol with a toe-shot from across the map. CoD has a 'feeling' to it, always has, always will, and that feeling is ruined by having 70% less health when you spawn. hardcore game: a bunch of people crouching silently in corners, waiting for someone to move across an opening. SMG player has no reason to play any different than the guy with the sniper rifle. Game is reduced to a pile of crap. Pure game: Players use solid movement skills (crouch walking, strafe jumping, etc) to navigate map/engage enemies. Game moves faster, more fluid GAMEPLAY (omg he said that word again). Players are rewarded for more time in the game because they learn to control the RECOIL of the guns, which in turn means skill is used to decide gunfights since usually it takes a series of more than one lucky bullet to kill someone. This pub game everyone plays nowadays is light years away from what CoD actually was, which is me and you, gun vs gun, heads up, better player wins. Good games reward players for putting their time in, not for getting lucky with a toe-shot from a mile away. Sigh..I could write for a year on this..its so painfully obvious. Lets review: You don't like it when people jump to avoid being killed, you want to kill people with less shots......see a pattern here.....I guess they need to keep trying to make the game easier for you. Sincerely, Everyone who played CoD before 2005 and is actually decent at the game. tl;dr; bad players are bad, hardcore is @#$@#$ awful +1 Leadcore. HC has truly become the bane of CoD! Unfortunately fore me, softcore in B0 seems HCish. May bey it is something the hit regs resulting from the lag issues or something.
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:48 am |
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liquid
2nd Lieutenant
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:47 pm Posts: 362
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
100% wrong on HC. Quote: hardcore game: a bunch of people crouching silently in corners, waiting for someone to move across an opening. SMG player has no reason to play any different than the guy with the sniper rifle. Game is reduced to a pile of crap.
lol? I mean have you really played HC for more than 4 minutes? Because I only played HC in CoD4, WaW and now in BO and I've never had any problems with that. It's also silly in SC that you have to put 2 sniper shots to the chest to kill someone or even more ridiculously 2 shotgun shots from close range. What's next, two hits to the head as well? Toe, hand, knee shots have been around since forever and it doesn't bother me - sure, I'd prefer if you hit him in the lower body he shouldn't die right away, get slowed and eventually bleed out if he hasn't been healed but CoD isn't this type of game. I find HC to be much more dynamic and interesting - you can't just run around with your RPD like Clint Eastwood and mow people down left and right. Your whole attitude toward this is appalling at best. I for one wouldn't be playing CoD (or any shooter for that matter) that doesn't have a HC mode and the thousands of people who play HC exclusively might think the same. Different modes for different people, stay out of HC if you don't like it, but don't talk trash about the mode - to each his own. (coming from a CoD2 rifles only player)
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LeadCore
Corporal
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:36 pm Posts: 23
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
Quote: you can't just run around with your RPD No one uses the LMG class...its not used in competitive (read: good) play. I played with you in Cod2 rifles, good day sir! It is a dead-end argument though, we might as well be speaking different languages.
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| Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:02 pm |
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liquid
2nd Lieutenant
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:47 pm Posts: 362
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
That's what I'm saying, no need of condescending comments about people who play differently. That's what I like about it is that it gives people the chance to play their game, not something that is enforced as the only, right way and you can't do anything else.
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RedSkull
Master Corporal
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:35 pm Posts: 56
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
I play Hardcore for two reasons
1/ when I shoot someone, I want them to drop there and then
2/ I also like the challenge of knowing that I will die if I'm hit with one bullet
I dont want them to decide to sprint at me and knife me rather than shoot me which is what happens in every game of softcore I play, why is a knife more deadly than a assault rifle ????
There is nothing casual about Hardcore settings, but do however think that Hardcore one shot deaths should only be a head or chest hit, because killing someone with a hand or foot shot is a joke, but hopefully if we get the mod tools, that can be changed, so that Hardcore is played the way it meant to be played, and not this console style Hardcore we are all being forced to play
BTW I feel bunny hoppers and ground droppers are ruining the game for me, but I have been playing on a few realism servers over the past few days and have really enjoyed the game again
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ePyX™whiterook
Master Corporal
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:42 pm Posts: 92
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 Re: Am I in a minority?
liquid wrote: That's what I like about it is that it gives people the chance to play their game, not something that is enforced as the only, right way and you can't do anything else. I do agree with your comment. When the game was good, we could all just go and do our own thing. I don't think anyone is satisfied with the state of the game now.
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