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Dante wrote:
On almost any map, I favour the AK74u with extended mag to cut down on reloads, and Steady Aim Pro, shooting a lot from the hip, and that gun just cuts them down really quick. Perhaps too quick, which is why it has a reputation for being over powered because Steady Aim just makes it insanely over accurate.

Yes, I saw on the CoD forums that generally the two weapons most complained about as being overpowered are the Famas and the AK74U - not something that is that obvious in HC mode but in normal mode they do appear to have an edge - presumably a combination of the rate of fire, damage and relative accuracy compared to other weapons in the same category.


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I'm sorry but that just isn't true. 2-3 shots in the head would certainly kill someone in normal mode, but doing the same anywhere else (even the chest) doesn't guarantee a kill. And shooting someone at point blank (even with a single shot) with an assault rifle only to have them ignore the hit, run at you and knife you is just plain stupid. That is why I dislike normal mode.


I hear that complaint a lot with HC players about getting knifed. I put my knife button on my mouse. Any time I am going into a room or around a corner I have my finger on the button just waiting to knife. In hc, you don't have to learn to do this, just shoot. It's just another element that sc players have to learn to do. Not only do we have to aim better, we have to learn to knife as well. Those two things, adds to the challenge for me and personally why I like sc over hc.

Don't get me wrong though, I love to go on a hc server from time to time and watch my k/d ratio triple!!! :D


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Vanilla = 100 HP
Hardcore = 30 HP

I think there should be something with 60-70 HP to make it more interesting.

There should be a Neapolitan mode... 65 HP.

Maybe....

Assault Rifles: -10% damage
SMGs: -5% damage
Pistols: no change
Knife: Un-noobify

Knifing... Mods will remove, if they are worth it, the lunge + the auto-aim. That's all I'm waiting for.

Pubbing this is the same as pubbing cod4... 60 seconds after I join I ask myself why I joined.

Can't wait for the /connect so I can figure out the pugs...


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they should let us set the hit points! :(

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TRTL wrote:
I put my knife button on my mouse. Any time I am going into a room or around a corner I have my finger on the button just waiting to knife.

I also have it on my mouse - but normally when I bump into someone, by the time I realise I should have tried using the knife instead of a gun they have already knifed me and run off laughing.


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I also have it on my mouse - but normally when I bump into someone, by the time I realise I should have tried using the knife instead of a gun they have already knifed me and run off laughing.

Same here, same thing happens too :D

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that's my reason i don't like Core mod is better to knife in close quarters then shoot :)

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TRTL wrote:
For those of you tired of shooting a whole clip at someone and they don't die, learn to aim. You need to pull your sights up and aim for their head or chest. 2-3 shots in head or chest will kill anyone with any weapon in sc. So if you waste a clip and didn't kill them, that's because you missed most of your shots. There is nothing wrong with the hit registry, you just don't get much damage for shooting them in the foot.

On hc, it doesn't matter where your bullets register, 2-3 shots and they are dead. So it's not really about one being better than the other, but you have to play them differently. You just can't go around firing from the hip in sc and expect people to drop like they do in hc.


I agree with this post. But I would add that I find it amusing that Buster would claim that the original game was really HC and that stock was introduced in CoD4. I see this as an attempt to turn reality on its face and to do this, he tries to qualify his opinion by establishing his credibility and supposed learned knowledge on the issue by telling us about his age, and experience. Those personal attributes are far from exceptional in these and other forums. I see this process as an attempt to convince the majority of the CoD community (who do play stock - like it or not) that HC is as skill based as stock. I do not think it is, but I do think it has its own merits and must be played differently than stock. Others still seem to try to bring in realiasm into a game that was never really affilitated with that concept.


I actually find you amusing with your attempt to discredit me. Many around the community can attest for my age and experience and yes giving background I do think that add's credence to anything anyone is discussing "Real Word" or "Gamer World". Also, you obviously did not read my entire post. In the later part I do explain both concepts have their place and both are good for gaming. I actually play a lot of Core (formerly known as Softcore because I like the new term) S&D. No I am not trying to sway anyone person to choose one or the other. No place did I state this. I only stated why I like HC. Nothing wrong with being honest. Just tried to shed some light on the whole discussion from a different perspective using my past/present knowledge along with experience other then the insult laden threads from folks who couldn't back up a car let alone back up there counter point with any kind of quality information.

Did I explain it perfectly probably not. As for skill...Being a former rifles only player I use nothing but iron sights and shoot for the head no matter the weapon in my hand.

The other day I took the Black Ops M14 with silencer and shot another player in the head (yes tink tink tink) 3 times until he died on a Core server. Not real proper if you ask me. You take the evidence the way you want to but before you try to discredit me maybe get to know me but that is not as easy as sitting behind a screen plunking away on your keyboard now is it.

Anyway, it is a controversial topic so big thanks to all including you blckamber for the impute. I think it has gone much better then the other name calling thread which had to be locked. Keep it up guys good chat. Cya on the battlefield and Merry Fragging Christmas. :)


I actually did believe your claims as to age, playing history. I guess what I was getting at is that I do not think your opinion on this matter is as learned as you think it is. And I do not think your background is relevant. One either knows what they are talking about or they don't. I simply find that your claim that pre-cod4 titles were actually the equivalent of HC is ridiculous; that is all. I did not say that you said you were trying to convert ppl. I guess I was saying that you seem to have an agenda to try to convince ppl that your idea is correct. Most of your post was presumptuous as was its title. At the end of the day, I do not believe that you will convert the majority into believing that HC is a skill-based game. Having said that, I agree with you that ppl should play what they like and I hope you have as much fun with HC as I do with stock.


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I actually did believe your claims as to age, playing history. I guess what I was getting at is that I do not think your opinion on this matter is as learned as you think it is. And I do not think your background is relevant. One either knows what they are talking about or they don't. I simply find that your claim that pre-cod4 titles were actually the equivalent of HC is ridiculous; that is all. I did not say that you said you were trying to convert ppl. I guess I was saying that you seem to have an agenda to try to convince ppl that your idea is correct. Most of your post was presumptuous as was its title. At the end of the day, I do not believe that you will convert the majority into believing that HC is a skill-based game. Having said that, I agree with you that ppl should play what they like and I hope you have as much fun with HC as I do with stock.


Sure, background is relevant when presenting any debate or discussion. Would you like to have an Auto Mechanic teach a Pre-Med class on the Cardiovascular System?(No offense to Auto Mechanics) It helps tell a little bit about who you are. It lets people know your not just some "Asshat Clown" making up bs.

Once again you did not pay attention. I did not say it was equivalent. I said it was close. Big difference my friend.

Also, I am not trying to get gamers to choose one or the other. There is no agenda. If you really want me to give you one then yes, I would like folks to be more open minded about the debate as a whole. Stop the name calling back and forth cry baby blank. Really, there is nothing in my post that states I am trying to sway gamers. You sure do come up with a lot of false interpretations.

The thread is merely a simple point of view that takes this whole discussion and presents it from a different perspective. Kind of an "Outside the Box" thinking.

Instead of trying to dissect my point of view maybe you should come up with facts, counter points, and opinions of your own and present your case. Obviously have some passion for this debate use that in a more constructive manor.

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bust3r wrote:
blckamber wrote:
I actually did believe your claims as to age, playing history. I guess what I was getting at is that I do not think your opinion on this matter is as learned as you think it is. And I do not think your background is relevant. One either knows what they are talking about or they don't. I simply find that your claim that pre-cod4 titles were actually the equivalent of HC is ridiculous; that is all. I did not say that you said you were trying to convert ppl. I guess I was saying that you seem to have an agenda to try to convince ppl that your idea is correct. Most of your post was presumptuous as was its title. At the end of the day, I do not believe that you will convert the majority into believing that HC is a skill-based game. Having said that, I agree with you that ppl should play what they like and I hope you have as much fun with HC as I do with stock.


Sure, background is relevant when presenting any debate or discussion. Would you like to have an Auto Mechanic teach a Pre-Med class on the Cardiovascular System?(No offense to Auto Mechanics) It helps tell a little bit about who you are. It lets people know your not just some "Asshat Clown" making up bs.

Once again you did not pay attention. I did not say it was equivalent. I said it was close. Big difference my friend.

Also, I am not trying to get gamers to choose one or the other. There is no agenda. If you really want me to give you one then yes, I would like folks to be more open minded about the debate as a whole. Stop the name calling back and forth cry baby blank. Really, there is nothing in my post that states I am trying to sway gamers. You sure do come up with a lot of false interpretations.

The thread is merely a simple point of view that takes this whole discussion and presents it from a different perspective. Kind of an "Outside the Box" thinking.

Instead of trying to dissect my point of view maybe you should come up with facts, counter points, and opinions of your own and present your case. Obviously have some passion for this debate use that in a more constructive manor.


I think your entire post shows it is you that should pay attention. Re-read my posts.


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