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lol i don't think Treyarch has many political leanings... i certainly don't think they are Communists just because they want everyone to be equal in their game :P

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lol i don't think Treyarch has many political leanings... i certainly don't think they are Communists just because they want everyone to be equal in their game :P



im not calling them communists. im calling them out for the way they want us a pc nation to play..... like communists. we are the peasants that drive there machine, there industry. our says keeps getting less and less. They keep removing more and more... and come back with lines like "to protect players from griefing"

the actions, like those against the fps commands and bullet registration is that such action. to level the playing field so a guy with a GTO is = to a guy with a Model A when it comes down it, there not equal. the GTO is faster always. every time. all the time.

my gtx 580 is superior, and renders many more fps then your 4870. but all this is nullified, changed because its an advantage they cannot control---that i have more money to spend on my computer than then next guy which is giving me an advantage when is use there game engine the way it was supposed to be built.-utilized-

so, break the game engine to make everyone equal....even the wealth at a level that is in their control.

nope. communism in my book.


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Its more like equality at the sacrifice of a large minority then Communism, either way its annoying and i wish they wouldn't do it :(

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Unfortunately, it seems like Treyarch ruined weeks and weeks of working my friend!
I love your dedication ezre, always a plesure to read you, nothing else to add, everything has already been told!


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Unfortunately, it seems like Treyarch ruined weeks and weeks of working my friend!
I love your dedication ezre, always a plesure to read you, nothing else to add, everything has already been told!



I try to appeal to everyone in a way we all can relate whether in the thick of it or not. And as far as "everything"... no.... does a cook of award winning chill give up his all his secrets... no.. but that doesn't mean he isnt helpful, encouraging, and guiding.



btw freak accident..... left my window open... it rained, then started to snow.... and my computer tower (that JUST happens to have a ventilated top) had water on/in it when i arrived home tonight...


the only error i got (after it failed to start x3) was a cpu fan error. i by-passed it and things are running smooth. but aww is the cpu fan error the program that monitors fan speed? i mean my temps are great still 27C idle (i have h50)


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I do not feel guilty as its in the game and like any command waiting to be used, activated, tweaked, etc. A part of me enjoyed the advantage and another part didn't want anyone else to know

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my gtx 580 is superior, and renders many more fps then your 4870. but all this is nullified, changed because its an advantage they cannot control---that i have more money to spend on my computer than then next guy which is giving me an advantage when is use there game engine the way it was supposed to be built.-utilized-


Ever heard about fair game (ouuh it that communism? Talk about it to Beria and Stalin and people sent away to gulags, they'll probably beg to differ)?

Saying "its in the game" is flawed argument. It is not in the game, only the author of the game determines what's in it, and you knew all along that was not part of it.

I feel sorry for you.


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I do not feel guilty as its in the game and like any command waiting to be used, activated, tweaked, etc. A part of me enjoyed the advantage and another part didn't want anyone else to know

[...]

my gtx 580 is superior, and renders many more fps then your 4870. but all this is nullified, changed because its an advantage they cannot control---that i have more money to spend on my computer than then next guy which is giving me an advantage when is use there game engine the way it was supposed to be built.-utilized-


Ever heard about fair game (ouuh it that communism? Talk about it to Beria and Stalin and people sent away to gulags, they'll probably beg to differ)?

Saying "its in the game" is flawed argument. It is not in the game, only the author of the game determines what's in it, and you knew all along that was not part of it.

I feel sorry for you.



No sr. you are sadly wrong and missing the connection i am trying to point out.

First off life isnt fair. I hope you learned this lesson already. If life isnt fair does that mean games should be since its a virtual world that SHOULD be easier to control. Yes, unfortunately that isnt how it works. Why? i explained already with a comparison of computer setups.

SO, the game isnt fair either. Its like trying to solve/end world hunger. It will never happen. A completely fair game? NO. And you cant make stands on WHAT you think is fair either. Its all or nothing, not what you believe to be "fair" or have a "fair game"

I just wish to have a "fair life" some guy on trial just wishes to have a "fair trial"---end result. DOESNT HAPPEN. The equation isnt A+B, the paper isnt black and white. Ther is some much more at stake.
Fair is a word [just a word] and a Utopian idea THAT IS NEVER REALIZED... only dreamt about. But people tend to live on words and personify them more then what they really are. Your living a lie and are believing in something that will get you no where. Its your ideal and i'm not going to say that its not something i wouldn't like either but i have realized that the cookie doesn't crumble into 4 neatly pieces. it shatters into a million quadrilaterals. I think you need to realize that too. A "fair game". Your in the wrong place... maybe in Heaven but not here.

A fair game in communism? No that's not what i meant. There actions [treyarch's] are flawed.
They remove this [toggle] for 2 reasons that are 2 faced. By resetting fps and packets ect you eliminated and make game play linear on the same level. No one regardless of their computer (the independent variable they cannot control) is negated. My gtx580=your 4870--- a false reality in the real world, but not the virtual one.
By doing this, treyarch has answer to those who 1) dont have fast computers 2)skill like some people that complain about being griefed in game by those who can render 125 by toggling it. or can toggle different gamma levels, exposure values, packets, on screen colors, scoreboard. basically its conformity. a problem solver for everyone. no its like Radiation therapy to a cancer patient. Yes it kills the bad cells but also destroys your immune system and other good cells.

Toggle allowed for these settings to work and work well.

Treyarch's main public front is to protect the players against the things that can happen when toggle is used. They win both ways when you just look at it. And we can do nothing about it.

I posted this because i know and i see right through them. They dont care and they know that creating a "fair game is a lost battle" But they needed to do something as they know there game runs like crap on sub par computers and people are bitching about getting griefed. One way to solve this is to take away freedoms that allow us to run our game better because we took the time to get educated and do it.

Nope. Again by removing it, it further restricts our freedoms. because publicly they have to do something to make up for there unoptimized game.


More over to your point, a fair game isnt communism. What they did to create "or try to" was communism. They broke the game to make it linear. No one running over 85fps or 30 packets. But with anything you have to battle human nature.. and human nature tells us to survive. Being that this is the virtual world morals take a back seat. Kill or be killed. Fair? Just another word. But wanting a fair game isnt communism, just a lie. I mean i want everyone to have the same config cheat protection but i want to be able to use more fps.... that isnt fair.... human nature. If you have made any config changes you just violated your own argument.

Take notes:

Its in the game. Its a game mechanic and so is the commands in this game. They were not "injected" there not 3rd party programs, its not "illegal or unlocked". These are unprotected cvars and a function that is in the game.

Go look at a dvar list and get educated before you spew idiocy from your mouth.


No sr. i feel sorry for you and all that are like you: striving for a "fair" game and also being ignorant. The knowledge is out there. Its available to ANYONE. Its your own laziness to blame. Got time to play the game? Got time to get a dvar list.


ignorance is NOT BLISS in this world.

the meek shall NOT inherit the game in this world.


You need a good introspection.

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First off life isnt fair. I hope you learned this lesson already.

[...]

SO, the game isnt fair either. Its like trying to solve/end world hunger. It will never happen. A completely fair game? NO. And you cant make stands on WHAT you think is fair either. Its all or nothing, not what you believe to be "fair" or have a "fair game"


Are chess unfair?
Don't be childish, it is possible to make balanced games, meaning that a good player will kick ass of a bad player even if he plays on a 13" screen with 28 fps while the other have a 21" screen with 200 fps.
But not with aimbot, wallhacks and anything alike, sure.

Believe, it has nothing to do with world hunger.

ezre wrote:
I just wish to have a "fair life" some guy on trial just wishes to have a "fair trial"---end result. DOESNT HAPPEN


Life isn't fair, as you stated it.
Trials must be. They are supposed to be, if they are not, go talk to your countryman.

ezre wrote:
The equation isnt A+B, the paper isnt black and white. Ther is some much more at stake.
Fair is a word [just a word] and a Utopian idea THAT IS NEVER REALIZED... only dreamt about.


Ever played chess?
Plenty of games are quite fair, even video games.


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Your living a lie and are believing in something that will get you no where. Its your ideal and i'm not going to say that its not something i wouldn't like either but i have realized that the cookie doesn't crumble into 4 neatly pieces. it shatters into a million quadrilaterals. I think you need to realize that too. A "fair game". Your in the wrong place... maybe in Heaven but not here.


You're wrong, there are plenty fair games. It is quite possible to write software that results in something balanced. Software is not illogical, on the contrary. Try Counter-Strike, Starcraft, these games are popular because, in the long run, they are balanced (even if some weapons or map are not, in the overall, good players alway beat the others, it's not primarily a matter of luck or any external factor like hardware).

That being said, there are plenty of clues about the very low level quality of software code in Bops, so, sure, in Bops, you can easily hack the software to get unfair advantages. Sure. But do you really want to do so?
What's the fun of winning a FPS game with a wallhack and aimbot? I don't get it.


ezre wrote:
By doing this, treyarch has answer to those who 1) dont have fast computers 2)skill like some people that complain about being griefed in game by those who can render 125 by toggling it. or can toggle different gamma levels, exposure values, packets, on screen colors, scoreboard. basically its conformity. a problem solver for everyone. no its like Radiation therapy to a cancer patient. Yes it kills the bad cells but also destroys your immune system and other good cells.

Toggle allowed for these settings to work and work well.

Treyarch's main public front is to protect the players against the things that can happen when toggle is used.


Their software is obviously poorly designed and coded (how easy it is to respawn kill is one clue among 1000). Sure you get frustated because they remove otherwise useful functions just to avoid unfair advantages.
I dont care if someone with brand new hardware got 150 fps while I have 50/60. I'm not even sure human eye is able to accomodate usefully 150 fps. I'm more concerned about wallhacks and such, that really provided tangible unfair advantage. And if Tretrarch is so crappy that they must force 60 fps for everybody to avoid these hacks, it's no drama to me.


ezre wrote:
Its in the game. Its a game mechanic and so is the commands in this game. They were not "injected" there not 3rd party programs, its not "illegal or unlocked". These are unprotected cvars and a function that is in the game.


Don't be childish. When you are able to see thru walls, even if it is by using only legits command, you too well know that was not intended, it just reflects poor programming, nothing else.



ezre wrote:
No sr. i feel sorry for you and all that are like you: striving for a "fair" game and also being ignorant. The knowledge is out there. Its available to ANYONE. Its your own laziness to blame. Got time to play the game? Got time to get a dvar list.


Sure, I could easily use hacks, see through walls, have no lighting and enemies textured in flashing red, and all. Well, I like the game better with normal lights, opaque walls, shadows and realistic textures, I wont remove it just to be able to compete.


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huge flaw in your post detected.
wallhack and aimbot? not quite comparable with increasing brightness or raising packets sent.


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