I think we can all agree that nothing out there today is 100% fool proof in catching cheats. What is important is that as many as possible of them combined to make it easier to catch or dismiss a claim of cheat.

FOV demo recording, battlerecorder (freeview), various anticheats scanning for scripts etc. all combined with an admin that knows the game make for a strong combination when it comes to catching cheaters. I additonally used the codplayer and it was quite interesting at times to watch an experienced hacker.

Nah guys, let's just agree to disagree on this one but agree that it is a fight which we must not allow to end.

I like the TWI method of covering their arse with more anti cheat, and anti cheat features then any other game i have heard of

A lot of the anti cheat isn't so much only to catch cheaters as taking away an easy route.

Screenshot grabbing can be evaded and is commonly done so in cheat systems, however this requires cheat makers to actively do so. But most importantly it can stop people from tweaking their graphicscard or ingame settings to for instance not see foliage or smoke or perhaps see shadows true terrain.

The same with demorecording if a cheater is smart he can play in such a way that it doesn't show well on the demos. But without demos he could use an aimbot and continuously lock onto targets. Beside demos are a very strong tool at times that if you think someone cheated that after watching the demo you see that such wasn't the case. Demorecordings are pretty handy to check if someone is using a certain bug or exploit as well.

A lot of anti cheat measures aren't so much about catching cheaters only, but simply denying some of the easy cheating paths. And allowing actual people to look in to a case, as said before a ladder or league will fall if most teams start to distrust each other. And for that its important beside automatic detection systems, that humans can pass a judgement.

I think Valleyhunter and Zetsumei are on the right track here.

There has to be anti-cheat and some kind of demo-recording. Those two combined make it hard enough to cheat that most cheating is caught and tourney's can be played without too much worry and BS. There will always be people accused of cheating and there will always be cheaters, but at least if the game devs do everything they can to stop them and everything they can to give admins the ability to spot them, the game is playable and we can be that much more assured that people who win competitions actually won them. It allows you to have fun and at least be pretty damn sure that if you got your ass kicked, they were almost undoubtedly better than you, not cheating.

That's what we're looking for. There's no 100%...but you can have enough to make the game fun again. what's the old saying? "only fools are positive" lol

I think this discussion has gotten off a little from where it started. This discussion was started from what Neil and Zets were talking about.


I agree with Neil. Some leagues even require you to use fraps instead of the stock recorder.

It's not that I think demo recording is worthless, it's just not something that is a show stopper if we don't have it. That's my point. Leagues will find ways to work around things if there are issues, if the game is popular enough.

If I had my way, I want it in. But if it's not in, it WON'T stop me from playing this game in leagues/ladders.

It won't stop me playing but I will be disappointed if it is left out