lol how do you know the majority of players don't use in-game VoIP especially in BF games? Please don't start with console argument because all that BF players like myself are asking is in-game VoIP that was included in both 2142 and BF2 which worked very well with clans, communities and individual players. It has absolutely nothing to do with consoles at all. There is no comparison here. All we are asking is for what they have implemented before which worked. No one is even saying that clans would get rid of 3rd party solutions. Most clans that I have come across in previous titles use both in-game VoIP and 3rd party software even in other games like TF2. Why? Because it allows them to communicate privately with their clan members plus communicate with random players in their server. There are many clans that are welcoming to random players joining their squads. My previous clan is one them where we used it as a social and recruiting tool. That is how I got recruited with as did many others. So in-game VoIP is a useful tool that helps to create friendships, building communities and clans.

I am really beginning to wonder if you ever played any Battlefield games before Bad Company 2.

A post from someone who gets it over at EAUK forums:

Neil I was talking to Amit. You and I have already discussed this to no avail.


http://battletracker.com/playerstats/bf2/43908779/

As you can see, I have over 600 hours and have played over 2,000 matches in BF2. Of course that's only when I played on ranked servers. We did a lot of competitive stuff including TWL. Probably played 50+ matches just in TWL in BF2.

And with my player name, it's obvious that I am not posting someone else account. So please don't try to put me down like some new BF player.

What are your stats Neil?

Look, we need to back up and try this again. Consoles and their players are not relevant to this discussion. How could you possibly know if people use VOIP or not? You don't have those statistics. And of course the majority of gamers probably don't use VOIP. No, not because they choose not to, but because it's not in the games that they play to begin with.

Hey man, I'm not trying to blame you for anything. It's just that your point of view is too narrow. You're behind the green zone and you're not seeing what's happening outside the walls of safety. Your problem is that you think that anyone who isn't in a Clan is just some dumbass "lone wolf pub guy" who isn't a team player. I won't deny there are people out there like that, but most public players will try to be a team player. They like to meet new people daily and make a difference on a different team every day. They are the blank of BF games. Why are you so against them being able to talk to each other? Are you afraid that one day a public team will smash your Clan-based team?

Friends. Hmm. People are almost always joining clans. That's an excellent thing, no doubt, but what about those people who don't join clans? Oh they probably don't make friends because they're mindless fools, right? Wrong. I have a huge list of friends in BF2 and BF2142 that are not in my own clan or even another clan. You see, the way this happens is that I join a public match and squad up with some people. Usually, I try to engage the team and my squad and get them to play the objective. Some respond, some don't. If they do respond and make an effort to play as a team and we do well, I tell those people that I want to play with them again. I haven't had anyone disagree so far. I often introduced some random friend to another one and those two now are friends. It's sort of a chain reaction. TRTL, you need to think outside the box and really understand how public players work. I once got two squads worth of people on my friends list to play together. Some of them were in clans and many others weren't, but the key point is that only 3 or 5 of them knew each other. They all worked as a team and we were rolling blank for that night.

You say that the opinions of the people who are not in clans don't matter because Clans are the ones "renting/paying/admining/setting up 90% of the servers that are out there." That is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. We all paid for the game and we all want to enjoy it. Why should running a server make you some sort of executive in the game? You made the choice to rent and maintain a server. Nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to run a server.

It's sad that there is discrimination happening against other players simply because they choose not to join a clan.

No sir, I do not think that at all. I spend a lot of time to try and get to know these people and see what their habits are. Because they could be our next recruit. See that's how it works. If you run a clan, a successful clan with active servers, you actually have to make your decisions around the habits of these people. If I am bias in any way, its actual to the public player that's not in a clan. Because those are the ones that I want to come play on my server and possible join my clan. So a lot of times we run settings on our servers that maybe isn't what our clan wants, but it's what the public wants. We also make our guys split up on our public server too so the game is competitive.

From this experience, voip in previous bf games have been more issues than help. I know that almost all of the clans that I knew back in BF2 days, had voip turned off as well. What are the statistics, how many exact people use it or not? No sir I don't have that answer. I can only go off of personal experience and all three of our BF3 servers were ranked inside the 100 for population. So obviously my thinking can't be to backwards.

But my whole point is, there are other things that are more important that need attention before voip. If dice wants to come out and have voip, so be it. I don't care either way. But to pick up a crusade and complaining to Zhinto every chance you get is not only childish, it's ignorant. And to try and throw this in as a "solution for clans" is ignorant as well. Which is what my last post was about. Leave the clans out of this discussion, but it doesn't mean anything to us.

Voip will not make or break this game in any way.

Well from my experience clans used VoIP as well as third-party programs and you are not going to tell me otherwise. Please don't start with the childish/ignorant statements. I do realise that there are other important factors such as hit detection, players lying halfway through walls etc but I am not going to let them forget that they are missing features that were in previous titles. As a paying customer who has supported the franchise I have every right to ask for features that I and other players believe is important to the game. Trying to call me ignorant when you ignore everything that myself and Amit has pointed towards the benefits of having in-game VoIP is a great one.

http://battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/b ... =103335308

I have over 400 hundred hours on 2142 not including other profiles and the amount of clan matches I participated in on ClanBase. I had other profiles on Battlefield 2 as well but these were linked to my DMW email address at the time and I can't recall the soldier names I used :O. However, I will add that from my experience from playing on different servers VoIP was used both in 2142 and BF2 and that I am not making this up for the hell of it.

I was indifferent to this but i played RO2 again the other day they have a really good VOIP system in there, and because the player base has boiled down to only the hardcore players now everyone is using it! Its really useful and good (obviously), and i met some cool people and had some really good matches with them, so its a bit sad that BF3 will not have it.

P.s. im in a clan but if my clan mates r not on, or if we are playing with the public VOIP would be useful

Oh ya, I could def see this. RO is all together a different game and player base than most other games.

Hey Jo3, did you get your smilies working, or do you just type the characters?? : )

nope still not working just remember different characters

started playing this game as cod is a POS this year. the learning curve is much greater i must say but through my rage i stuck through it and still am.

i'd like to compare players to cod players.. not the best topic for discussion however with the ppl ive played against and with (mostly on rush and tdm) i see a VOIP option almost 99% necessary because people can have the option to hide chat so they will not see my cries for ammo, or just be totally stupid and or ignore ppl who need supplies, health, revive, etc. I've ran around a whole map with my teammates with just a pistol because i couldn't get anyone to give me ammo. I couldnt believe it.. im in their squad, i prolly have the ammo thing next to my name but nope. Which leads me to believe some players are just bad, worse then cod players. Camping in a corner on tdm.. not going to help your team any. I thought this was exclusive to cod. Nope. How wise it is to sit between to crates prone as a medic or engineer as your team dies and you just camp? Pathetic and useless. I find this disgusting so give me a VOIP option so i can scream at them to move their asses and resupply me. Next i can use it to communicate enemies and help plant the charge on rush.

LOL



...but I agree