I have a question for people.
Bearing in mind the furore about MW2 before it was released and the comments from experienced gamers saying it would be a bad experience. Bearing in mind the huge numbers who signed up to the MW2 boycott petition,
I have a question for those people that went ahead and bought it anyway, who gave Activision their money despite the controversy but are now complaining about how bad the online experience is .....

how do you feel?

Because as someone who stuck by their guns and like my fellow clan mates (for the most part) did not purchase this game, I feel pretty sickened by the number of people who invalidated the boycott and the complaints made by PC gamers to IW by subsequently buying the game.

I apologise as this appears to be a rather aggressive question (especially for my first post here - hello by the way), but as I can't imagine many people here not being aware of what they did by purchasing the game, it seems as good a place as any to ask the question. Activision are laughing all the way to bank and with the L4D2 and MW2 online petitions effectively discredited, the PC community as a whole has come out of this experience very badly.

i wasn't one of the boycotters, however i bought it, haven't touched it in 2 weeks aha, but ive heard alot of complaining lmfao..

"omg lag" "omg commando pro" "ninja fgts" bahaha list goes on..

I bought it, because I feel that eventually Dedi Servers were always going to be put in = EVENTUALLY

They obviously ran out of time, and matchmaking was obviously a last minute thing just to get MP to work out of the box, I feel that some time next year dedis will be back, lean will be back, console will be back etc....at least I hope so.

i actually feel like this is quite a good game, if you forget about the matchmaking, terrible hit reg and zero recoil from the weapons. (Sniping on derail with a UMP smg is just fun ) I enjoy playing it when I have people to play with, that is to say that when clan mates are online, we will make a party of about 4-6 of us, and go play HCHQ or HCS&D and it is fun, but with th general public, it isn't as fun mostly because of people jumping around spraying, or just acting like fools over the mic.

Very xbox live.

they didnt run out of time, they refused to make time in the 1st place to even develop the damn thing on the pc side of things.

And if you believe that dedis will be added you are incredibly naive. The reason being because the game uses steam to update it automatically, which means even if they DID add dedis they can remove just like that in some blank little "bug fixes update" that just so happens to "accidentally" conflict with dedicated server support, meaning you will still be forced to use their IWNET service. Why would they do it you ask? because they would get more sales of the game again if they added deds and after those sales begin to slow they remove support later just to catch more fools to be forced to use their service.

But i agree with OP, it does sicken me to see so many still get the game after they signed it, i have removed players from my steam and xfire the second i see them playin it, people i have known and had as friends for 5+ years

putting it simply, i never bought cod4. But being such a big fan i was going to buy mw2. After seeing the game however i didnt. If you bought the game then dont complain. Everyone knows how the game was so complaining after buying the game is just dumb.

Vice, because their is no room for the hopeful or the misinformed.

I agree in part with the OP. The problem is this. You're not taking into account certain groups who bought it for varying reasons. I myself wasn't aware of what they did until after I installed the game. Sure, alot of people knew, but alot more people didn't know. These people are the ones who don't pay attention to sites like BASH, that keep updated news reports on who is doing what in the industry. Alot of gamers just check gamespot or some other site for upcoming releases, and buy the game without doing any research on how the game was put together. I myself found this to be a huge wake up call, and I won't be buying anymore games until I've at least had time to read up on several previews first. But there are other groups. How about those who still bought it to tune and tweak the config files client side and see how much can be accomplished? Sure IW took steps to lock things down quite a bit, but you can't tell me you expect people to predict future events. There are also those you still bought it to see if they could crack it, re-add dedi support, console, FOV fixes etc. There are also those who knew about these issues, but didn't care either way. They didn't boycott it, they just wanted to play the next MW game. Trying to paint it as if everyone who bought it didn't only know about the issues, but also boycotted it and then still bought it like sheep is lumping, and we all know how accurate that can be.

The way I see it is those who didn't buy the game have no right to complain. You didn't give them your money, as a business they will care less about your complaints then they do about the complaints of those who did buy it. Those who knew about the issues, boycotted it, and still bought it (and had no intention of trying to make it better via tuning or cracking) have no right to complain. Those who had no clue what was going on, like me, have the MOST right to complain. We weren't given accurate or honest information from the dev and publisher, and were suckered into buying a piece of crap by a dishonest marketing campaign that included alot of censoring of bad press and banned IW forum accounts for simply telling it like it is. Not to mention the large amount of youtube videos being DMCAed for simply showing that 402's remark reguarding cheats was complete BS, or those that simply show how laggy the gameplay is. They are actively silencing any bad press, and thus you can't expect everyone to be 100% aware of all the issues.

To the OP, I signed the petition, abstained from buying the game, and can't see myself ever consenting to buy it in the future. The removal of certain features (let's see here ... Dedi's, lean, and a slew of others), affectively killed off my interest for it, which was actually quite considerable to be honest.

I find myself somewhat torn between understanding and disappointment in regards to those individuals who still bought the game even after being informed about its shortcomings and complaining vehemently about them. On the one hand, those who did lay down the $60 were able to confirm for me that the game is fun to play, but inferior to its predecessor. On the other hand ... it does stink of hypocrisy when you complain about these issues, sign a petition saying you will boycott the game (not buy it later when the prices drop, for those people who believe it amounts to the same thing), and then go out and grab it. Yes we needed people to try it, test it, and confirm that it was as bad as we feared it to be. That being said, how many of these testers did we need? Not many, and PC sales indicate that a fair few went back on their words (after buying a copy for their girlfriend/spouse, kid brother, grandmother, and pet dog).



I have to disagree with this. While I am sympathetic to the position you find yourself in, responsibility ultimately falls on the consumer to adequately research the product they are about to buy. In response to your second point, marketing departments' goals are to actually sell their companies products, and omitting information on possible shortcomings isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Judging by the enormously negative stir the lack of dedicated servers created in the PC community, IW's marketing team wasn't going to heavily advertise that fact. In other words, you shouldn't have expected to see adds saying, "Buy Modern Warfare 2: Now with No Dedicated Servers or Lean! Act now!"

Thus ends my contribution of 2 cents.

You raise a good point, it is up to the gamer/consumer to research a product before buying. Hence why this was such a wake up call for me. I'm definately among the many who will be trying out the BC2 demo before choosing whether or not to preorder it. However, the OP lumped quite a few people, who are innocent in the matter, in with those who actually did boycott the game, and still bought it. You will only ever find my signature on the petition to bring back dedi servers, and I signed that one after installing and playing the game. I personally never claimed to boycott the game. I was just stupid enough to assume MW2 would be an improvement on CoD4, and the thought of looking into it never crossed my mind. That's a mistake I'll have to try not to make again. The point of my post was simply to show that things aren't all black and white as the OP's post would suggest. There are many shades of gray in the mix, and more that I didn't mention. There are more groups than just those who boycotted it and didn't buy it, and those who boycotted it and still bought it. After finding out about the issues, I had decided to try my best to help the other tuners as much as I can, to no avail I might add, since I had already paid for the game and I couldn't return it. It was either uninstall, and toss the disc in the trash, or at least try to smooth it out to a somewhat acceptable level. Again to no avail.

xXToYeDXx, i understand there would be people without a clue, some people actually have lives and play cod4 once a week lol, so its understandable.